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Ongelezen berichtdoor Spartaan » 20 jan 2017 13:46

Ducati heeft (blijkbaar) zojuist bevestigt dat er nieuwe V4 Superbike ontwikkeld wordt.
Sowieso racet Ducati 2017 & 2018 met de Panigale.
Verwacht wordt dat de V4 eind 2017 gepresenteerd wordt en in 2018 verkocht gaat worden.


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Ongelezen berichtdoor Vifaatje » 20 jan 2017 14:53

Tja,

Jammer aan de ene kant dat de twin blijkbaar niet genoeg vermogen gaat leveren. Aan de andere kant schijnt een v4 ook wel lekker te rijden en te klinken.

Ducati zal het wel zwaar krijgen in het WSB, een nieuwe blade, meer mogelijkheden door de de ZX10RR, de R1 die een jaartje ontwikkeling heeft gehad en Aprillia die weer een fabrieksteam gaat rijden. Dit alles in combinatie met een EURO4 waar de pani nooit aan gaat voldoen......

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Peter65 » 23 jan 2017 21:06

De puristen zullen er wel van alles van vinden, maar wat mij betreft een interessante ontwikkeling. Eerst maar eens gewoon zien / horen waar Ducati uiteindelijk mee komt.

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Alfisti » 25 jan 2017 02:56

Een Ducati superbike is gewoon mooier afgewerkt (mooie componenten) dan de concurrenten. Daarnaast is ie retesnel en slaat je hart ervan op hol. Om die positie ten opzichte van de concurrenten te houden moet je met de tijd meegaan. Als blijkt dat de 2 cilinder niet meer toereikend is, dan is dit een logische stap. Ducati behoudt vast wel de emotie die het nu al oproept.
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Ongelezen berichtdoor Ducatinus » 25 jan 2017 08:37

There's no "control" button on my computer, I'm always in control.

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- Ooit komt er nog eens een .......het is een '94 er 916 Strada geworden

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Niels23 » 05 mar 2017 12:59

Interessant, ik ben wel V4 fan! Aanvankelijk was ik zelfs geen 2 cilinder fan maar emotie, design en geluid hebben me vol overtuiging bij Ducati gebracht. Een V4 is absoluut welkom mits aan eerder genoemde eigenschapppen wordt voldoen.
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Ongelezen berichtdoor zijlvaart67 » 05 mar 2017 21:01

Ik hoop maar dat Ducati de V4 niet als 'basismotor' gaat introduceren, omdat ze dan in feite anderen gaan imiteren..

Ze waren en zijn uniek met de L-twin en qua imago is het niet verstandig om dat concept te laten varen.. Het is niet voor niets dat de Porsche 911 nog steeds in productie (en zeer succesvol) is..

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Peter65 » 28 jun 2017 14:11

Blok schijnt feitelijk productie versie te zijn van de 2e generatie Desmosedici MotoGP blokken. Dat belooft wat!

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Spartaan » 04 jul 2017 13:38

Nog meer fotootjes:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new- ... otorcycle/

@Peter65 klopt!
De beredenatie van Ducati is, we hebben een sterke en betrouwbare V4 voor de Moto GP, waarom gebruiken we deze technologie niet voor de nieuwe (World) Superbikes...
Levert extra prestaties qua performance op en besparing qua geld.

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Maykel » 04 jul 2017 15:48

Nu ben ik geen Panigale-expert, maar hoe kun je aan die scoopfoto's zien dat het een V4 betreft?
Op de tank zitten die bekende zwart/wit zebra strepen die gebruikelijk zijn bij testvoertuigen cq. prototypes, maar het zou evengoed een standaard Pani kunnen zijn?

(ik hoop overigens ook niet dat dit de nieuwe standaard gaat worden. Voor sportmotoren prima allemaal, maar voor Monsters, SS'jes en de rest gewoon de L configuratie houden alstublieftdankuwel)

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Spartaan » 11 jul 2017 10:14

Ducati CEO Dishes on V4 Superbike Details;

Talking to Asphalt & Rubber at the launch of the Ducati 1299 Panigale Final Edition, Ducati CEO Claudio Domenicali gave us some details on the Italian company’s upcoming, and long-awaited, V4 superbike.

Much has already been speculated and rumored about the successor to the v-twin Panigale, but Domenicali paints a pretty clear picture of what we can expect to see unveiled at the upcoming EICMA show, in Milan.

The big news is perhaps not the fact that Ducati is moving to a four-cylinder format for its superbike program (though that is big news indeed), but instead the focus should be on what is inside the V4 engine, and how it operates.

Talking during the WorldSBK weekend at Laguna Seca, he also teased us with some news on a few other upcoming Ducati motorcycles, which should start a new chapter for the Italian brand.

Because Two Is Greater Than Four

For Ducatisti, there is no bigger news item than Ducati’s departure from the v-twin platform for its apex motorcycle. Though the Italian brand started with single-cylinder machines, it is known best for its desmodromic, 90°, v-twin engines, which permeates throughout the entire line.

Moving from the twin-cylinder format to the four-cylinder format hasn’t been an easy choice for Ducati, but the brand has been racing a V4 in the MotoGP Championship since it began racing that series, so there is a strong precedent for the move, along with a good technological motivation to do so.

“This is the last edition, because we wanted to move onto the V4,” said Domenicali curtly. “So, the question is then why move to a V4? Actually, we made a ten-year experience in MotoGP, and we thought it was a pity that all we have learned in this time period, not to make that available to our customers.”

“We do not consider it that companies should stay still for long periods of time,” he continued. “But, sometimes companies use some kind of technological solution as a flag, only because they are not able to think of something different.”

“So we did not think it was something wrong to continue changing it and improving it [the v-twin platform]. This engine is a superb engine, and there are some characteristics that still remain unmatched. But on the other hand, the balance between weight, power, and torque of the V4 we are developing is superior.”

Addressing the concerns of Ducatisti, that Ducati is tied to a twin-cylinder, Domenicali had an interesting response. “I think that one option would be to try the engine, the new engine, and then to make a judgment. In my opinion, that would be the best idea.”

“Of course, it is possible that there will be some people that will continue to prefer some of the characters of the twin, and this is why we have the Final Edition, because they can even buy it next year, it’s actually not an ending series.”

“But, we think that it will be a small group of people, because we have taken care in the development of the [V4] bike and the development of the engine, to fill in a lot of Ducati character.”

“How is the torque? How is the sound? How is the vibration? So we are not worried about that. The bike is a very good bike.”

Big Bang Firing Order

Domenicali is confident that Ducati owners, and in fact all motorcycle enthusiasts will be intrigued by Ducati’s new V4 superbike, namely because of the technology that resides inside its crankcases.

If the Panigale was an exhibition of the kind of outside-of-the-box thinking that the Italian brand can bring to chassis design – cue the company’s “frameless” chassis design – the still unnamed V4 superbike will showcase what Ducati’s engineers can do when it comes to designing an engine.

Based off Ducati’s MotoGP program, specifically the Ducati Desmosedici GP15, we can already guess at a unique “big bang” firing order. Domenicali confirms as much, without saying so.

“We have some tricks in the engine, that are very interesting. And when you couple this engine, a short-stroke, multiple-cylinder, with a desmodromic valves, you come out with a combination that is something which is unique.”

“It will make it different from any other four-cylinder on the market. This is the reason why our engine in MotoGP is so special, because it’s the only desmo engine.”

When asked directly if the V4 had a “big bang” firing order, Domenicali would only reply by saying that “it’s something very unique,” and that the engine would mimic the character of its v-twin predecessor. However, we know from Ducati’s program that the Italian brand runs a big-bang-like firing order.

Connecting the dots, the V4 production bike could fire two cylinders at a time, effectively making it a four-cylinder twin (if that makes logical sense to say), or it could have a firing order that is a bit more spaced out, but still retains a big bang firing character – which is rumored to be the case with Ducati’s MotoGP race bike.

Domenicali hints at this while talking about the company’s racing program, and how it has lead to the development of the V4 street bike platform.

“I think racing is relevant, but more than that, the whole experience and technical development that has gone into this engine – the fact that MotoGP has this configuration means that there has been many, many years of development for this engine. So that means we can put a lot of small stuff on the [production] engine.”

“And actually, the desmo system is far more relevant on a higher revving engine – let’s say high-revs, but not so high like our current v-twin – so when you sum them up everything, and when you consider that we have a special firing order on our V4, it makes it something between a v-twin and V4.”

“The most interesting stuff is inside,” Claudio Domenicali concluded, with a smile.

Other V4 Models

The most interesting word to come out of the CEO’s mouth though was that the V4 engine would be a platform engine, meaning that it would exist in other models, in different motorcycle segments.

“The V4 will be a platform, and it will be on different kinds of bikes,” Domenicali told us, while talking about the future of the Italian brand. What those models are, he could not say. “I could tell you, but then I’d have to kill,” he said…possibly in earnest.

But, one doesn’t have to think too had about which models in Ducati’s lineup could benefit from a high-tech V4 engine, one between 1,000cc and 1,200cc in engine displacement.

Talking that same evening to Rennie Scaysbrook at Cycle News, Domenicali wouldn’t confirm the rumors that the V4 superbike would come in two displacements, as had been rumored.

And while it may be the case the the V4 superbike will come in multiple displacements, another possibility for those rumors existence is that a 1,200cc version of the V4 engine could be destined for bikes like the Multistrada 1200, XDiavel, etc.

A 600cc V4 Supersport?

With Ducati seemingly back into sync with its model displacement, in relations to WorldSBK rules and what other manufacturers produce, our next thought was whether there was a future for a smaller V4 engine, say for a 600cc supersport machine.

In the most honest answer I’ve ever seen from a motorcycle exhaust, Domenicali dashed our hopes, simply saying “uhh…no.” With our dreams dashed, spirits crestfallen, futures collided, Domenicali had a compelling argument for this decision, however.

“The [V4] engine is an expensive, because of how it’s built inside. You would never strip it down to this level of price, that you need to be to be in this class,” Domenicali said, while talking of the 600cc supersport category.

“You cannot be in this class, and ask for 80% higher in price. You can ask for a premium, but can’t ask for double,” he finished by saying.

The Future for Superquadro

While there may not be a racing supersport in the company’s future, Ducati has a long history of repurposing its superbike engine designs for more tame street models, and so with the new V4 coming, we wondered about where that leaves the Superquadro engine design.

It’s here where the Ducati CEO gave us a surprise, suggesting that the Superquadro motor may not see life beyond its superbike application.

“We will have the smaller version [of the Superquadro], the 959, that will continue to be developed. So we will continue to have a middleweight superbike, twin-cylinder, that will be continuously updated.”

“So, in the just-below one-liter class, we will continue to have a very nice, something like 160 horsepower, engine. It will be a very good compromise between horsepower, drivability, road use ability, and thus we think it’s a good application for the twin.”

But when it comes to using the 959 Superquadro engine outside of the Ducati 959 Panigale, Domenicali was clear. “That’s not the plan. We have a very nice 937cc engine, which is working pretty well. It’s a very good platform, so we will continue to use that platform as well. And so, we are developing the platform.”

When asked if the Testastretta engine would continue to be the engine of choice for new models (fingers crossed for a new Streetfighter model), Domenicali replied in the affirmative, though again would not give details on what those machines could be.

The Long Goodbye

Ducati’s thought process for the future seems to be of two minds. With the backbone of the brand, the street bike line, continuing to use and develop on the same v-twin engine platform, while a new, high-performance line will benefit from the features of Ducati’s new V4 production engine.

Where that takes Ducati could be an intriguing road. With rumors of Ducati’s sale to another brand, like Harley-Davidson, continuing to swirl, the future for Ducati shall be interesting – in the Chinese proverb sense of the world.

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Ongelezen berichtdoor mca2 » 24 aug 2017 20:10

klinkt toch best lekker met open uitlaten

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Duclaasie » 25 aug 2017 07:26

Klinkt ruig!!
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Ongelezen berichtdoor surfroy01 » 25 aug 2017 16:29

Moeten maar geloven dat het een Ducati is want dat kan ik zo niet zien (slechte beelden maar wel lekkere sound). En waarom zou het veel anders klinken, zijn gewoon 2x2 cilinders :grin:
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Ongelezen berichtdoor Spartaan » 30 aug 2017 12:50

Op 7 september zal waarschijnlijk het V4 blok gepresenteerd worden in Misano

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Spartaan » 04 sep 2017 12:09

Eerste foto van de nieuwe V4
https://youtu.be/uwL3XaNiHrk

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Ongelezen berichtdoor jerry 1098 » 04 sep 2017 20:14

:clap:
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Ongelezen berichtdoor mca2 » 04 sep 2017 23:39

Lijkt wel een Honda

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Ongelezen berichtdoor wzwet » 05 sep 2017 13:27

Daarom heb ik een Honda VFR vtec naast de duc....helemaal toekomst gericht.

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